So I had the benefit of sitting at his table and listened a lot, listened to the storied of how he spent 27 years in a South African prison, and talked to him about how he was able to come out of that with a sense of forgiveness, to bind the wounds of South Africa and saving it from a mean and violent civil war. So I asked him to come on our show, and I was —although I'd sat at his table and was very comfortable in the presence, I was really nervous having him come on the show, and I rarely, rarely get nervous. And for me, his warmth just filled our studio with aglow, and one of the things I will always remember him saying is how terrible it was to spend the beat years of his life in that prison, but he said if he'd not been in prison, he would have not been able to achieve the most difficult task in his life, and that was to begin the change of himself.
But this is so— this tells the story of who he really is. He arrives at the studio and everybody's so excited and nervous and it's Nelson Mandela, and Nelson Mandela walks into the green room and says to the producer, "And what is the show about?"