William: One thing that British people always say... Joe: Yeah. William: When we got to America, is we always say, "Everything's so much bigger". Like... the streets are bigger, cars are bigger, refrigerators are bigger, washing machines are bigger. When you came to England did you think everything was really really small? Joe: Yes. In fact I recall one of my first observations was how small the streets were and how much smaller the cars were. And I remember driving in the car and the street was so narrow only one car could go down the street at a time. And I remember thinking, "I've never seen this before. And if we had these same streets in the United States they would level the houses and simply make the streets bigger." Joe: In fact, it wasn't until I was living in Leeds – I was twenty years of age – that I first went on a bus, used a bus for public transport. And it was quite an experience, and whenever I return to the UK I love using public transport.