演讲MP3+双语文稿:如何与孩子谈论禁忌话题
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【演讲者及介绍】Liz Kleinrock
Liz Kleinrock教育家，为K-12年级的学生创造了关于多样性、公平和包容的课程内容。
【演讲主题】如何教孩子谈论禁忌话题
【中英文字幕】
翻译者 Y H 校对者YinchunRui
00:13
So, a few years ago, I was beginning a newunit on race with my fourth-graders. And whenever we start a new unit, I liketo begin by having all the students list everything they know about it, andthen we also list questions we have. And I had the type of moment that everyteacher has nightmares about. One of my students had just asked the question,"Why are some people racist?" And another student, let's call herAbby, had just raised her hand and volunteered: "Maybe some people don'tlike black people because their skin is the color of poop." Yeah, I know.
几年前我要开始教四年级学生新的课程，是关于种族的。每次开始新的课程前，我会让学生们列举一下他们对其内容已有的认知，也会让他们聊聊对这一课的疑问。有一次我遇到一个问题，那简直是所有老师的噩梦，我的一个学生问我，“为什么有人是种族主义者？”另一个学生，我们叫她Abby吧，Abby主动举手回答说，“有些人不喜欢黑人，可能是因为他们的肤色像粪便一样。”
00:49
So, as if on cue, my entire class exploded.Half of them immediately started laughing, and the other half started yellingat Abby and shouting things like, "Oh, my God, you can't say that, that'sracist!" So just take a second to freeze this scene in your mind. There'sa class of nine- and ten-year-olds, and half of them are in hysterics becausethey think Abby has said something wildly funny, and the other half are yellingat her for saying something offensive. And then you have Abby, sitting therecompletely bewildered because, in her mind, she doesn't understand the weightof what she said and why everybody is reacting this way. And then you have me,the teacher, standing there in the corner, like, about to have a panic attack.
果然，全班就炸翻天了一半的学生笑了起来，另一半的学生开始朝Abby大喊，比如，“天哪，你不能说这种话，那是种族歧视！”你可以在脑海中定格这一幕吗？一个班上都是九岁十岁的孩子，一半人笑疯了因为他们觉得Abby刚才说的话超级好笑，另一半人被她的话冒犯到了，正朝着她大声嚷嚷。而Abby自己呢，坐在那里完全懵掉了她并不理解自己刚才说的话的份量，也不明白为什么其他人的反应。还有作为老师的我，我站在角落里，快要晕过去了。
01:31
So as a classroom teacher, I have to makesplit-second decisions all the time. And I knew I needed to react, but how?Consider your fight-or-flight instincts. I could fight by raising my voice andreprimanding her for her words. Or flight -- just change the subject andquickly start reaching for another subject, like anything to get my students'minds off the word "poop." However, as we know, the right thing to dois often not the easy thing to do. And as much as I wanted this moment to beover, and that I knew both of these options would help me escape the situation,I knew that this was far too important of a teachable moment to miss.
不过，作为老师必须具备的素养是在一刹那间快速做决定的能力，所以我知道我必须立刻采取行动，但是我应该怎么做？想一下战斗或逃跑反应。我可以选择“战斗”，也就是提高我的音量训斥她，我也可以选择“逃跑”，也就是转移话题赶紧聊聊其他的话题，好让学生们不要再去想跟粪便有关的事。但是众所周知，正确的选项往往不是容易的选项 尽管我非常希望这一刻快快结束，且这两个选项都可以让我 逃避这个局面，我深知这是一个不容错过的 重要的教学时刻。
02:14
So after standing there for what felt likean eternity, I unfroze and I turned to face my class, and I said,"Actually, Abby makes a point." And my students kind of looked ateach other, all confused. And I continued, "One reason why racism existsis because people with light skin have looked at people with dark skin and saidthat their skin was ugly. And even use this reason as an excuse to dehumanizethem. And the reason why we're learning about race and racism in the firstplace is to educate ourselves to know better. And to understand why commentslike this are hurtful, and to make sure that people with dark skin are alwaystreated with respect and kindness."
我在那里站着的时候，时间仿佛冻结了，但我终于打破僵局，面向全班的学生说，“其实呢，Abby说得有些道理。”学生们面面相觑，很困惑的样子我接着说，“种族歧视存在的原因之一，是因为浅色皮肤的人们看着深色皮肤的人们说他们的肤色太丑了。甚至用这个理由来贬低他们的人性。我们之所以要学习有关种族和种族歧视的知识，是要让自己知道得更多一些，去了解为什么这样的言论很伤人，去保证深色皮肤的人都能获得尊重和友善。”
03:00
Now, this was a truly terrifying teachablemoment. But as we moved forward in the conversation, I noticed that both Abbyand the rest of the kids were still willing to engage. And as I watched theconversation really marinate with my students, I began to wonder how many of mystudents have assumptions just like Abby. And what happens when thoseassumptions go unnoticed and unaddressed, as they so often do?
这是一个骇人的教学时刻，但是随着讨论的进行，我注意到Abby和其他的孩子们还是表现地很积极。我看着学生们沉浸在这些对话中，我开始猜想，有多少学生会有 Abby有的假设。而这些假设若没有被注意到，没有被讨论，那将会怎么样呢？
03:25
But first, I think it's important to take astep back and even consider what makes a topic taboo. I don't rememberreceiving an official list of things you're not supposed to talk about. But Ido remember hearing, over and over, growing up: there are two things you do nottalk about at family get-togethers. And those two things are religion andpolitics. And I always thought this was very curious because religion andpolitics often are such huge influencing factors over so many of our identitiesand beliefs. But what makes a topic taboo is that feeling of discomfort thatarises when these things come up in conversation. But some people are extremelyfluent in the language of equity, while other people fear being PC-shamed orthat their ignorance will show as soon as they open their mouths. But I believethat the first step towards holding conversations about things like equity isto begin by building a common language. And that actually starts withdestigmatizing topics that are typically deemed taboo.
让我们退一步来想一想，是什么使得一个话题成为禁忌？我不记得有哪一张清单上面列出了所有你不应该讨论的事情。但我却记得在我长大的过程中，有两件事你不能在家庭聚会的时候讨论，那就是宗教和政治。而我总是挺好奇这是为什么的，因为宗教和政治往往对于每一个人的自我定位和信念有着举足轻重的影响。是什么使得一个话题成为禁忌呢？是在这些对话中产生的不舒服感。有些人很擅长聊有关公正公平的话题，有些人却担心自己的观点不够政治正确而遭到嘲讽或是担心他们一开口就暴露了他们的无知。我认为，要展开有关公平公正的对话第一步是需要 建立一个共同的语言。而这个共同的语言，首先需要建立在 打破禁忌话题的基础上。
04:28
Now, conversations around race, forexample, have their own specific language and students need to be fluent inthis language in order to have these conversations. Now, schools are often theonly place where students can feel free and comfortable to ask questions andmake mistakes. But, unfortunately, not all students feel that sense ofsecurity.
举个例子：关于种族的话题有其独特的语言，学生们需要擅长这门语言，才能顺利地开展对话。学校往往是唯一一个使学生们觉得自由和安全，是让他们敢于提问和犯错误的地方。不幸的是，不是所有学生都觉得有安全感。
04:51
Now, I knew that day in front of myfourth-graders that how I chose to respond could actually have life-longimplications not only for Abby, but for the rest of the students in my class.If I had brushed her words aside, the rest of the class could actually inferthat this type of comment is acceptable. But if I had yelled at Abby andembarrassed her in front of all of her friends, that feeling of shameassociated with one of her first conversations on race could actually preventher from ever engaging on that topic again.
那一天，我知道在我的四年级学生面前，我采取怎样的回应，很可能对Abby，还有其他学生产生终身的影响。如果我把她的话置之不理，会让学生们产生错觉，以为这样的言论是可以接受的。如果我训斥她，让她在全班同学面前难堪，这是她第一次有有关种族的谈话，如果是伴随着这样的耻辱感可能会使得她以后再也不愿意参与到这个话题中了。
05:24
Now, teaching kids about equity in schoolsis not teaching them what to think. It is about giving them the tools andstrategies and language and opportunities to practice how to think. Forexample, think about how we teach kids how to read. We don't start by givingthem books. We start by breaking down words into letters and sounds and weencourage them to practice their fluency by reading every single day, with apartner or with their friends. And we give them lots of comprehension questionsto make sure that they're understanding what they're reading. And I believethat teaching kids about equity should be approached in the exact same way.
在学校教育孩子公正公平不是给他们灌输思想，而是赋予他们工具、计策、语言、和机会 让他们可以操练自己的思想。举个例子，想一下我们 是怎么教孩子读书的。我们不是直接丢一本书过去，我们是逐字逐句地教他们字母和读音，而且我们鼓励他们和小伙伴们一起 每天读书，日益精通。我们给他们出很多阅读理解题目 以确保他们读懂了。我认为，教育孩子公正公平，也需要采取这样的方法。
06:05
I like to start by giving my students asurvey every year, about different issues around equity and inclusion. And thisis a sample survey from one of my kids, and as you can see, there's some humorin here. For under the question, "What is race?" she has written,"When two or more cars, people and animals run to see who is fastest andwho wins." However, if you look at her question, "What is racism?"it says, "When somebody says or calls someone dark-skinned a meanname." So, she's young, but she's showing that she's beginning tounderstand. And when we act like our students aren't capable of having theseconversations, we actually do them such a disservice.
我每年都给学生们出一个问卷，有关公平和包容，考察他们对于这些话题的认知。这是其中一个孩子写的问卷其中还有些小幽默，这个题目是“种族是什么？”（注：race也可以指赛跑）她的回答是，“当多于或等于两辆车，两个人和两只动物一起赛跑，比谁跑得快，比谁赢。”但你再看下一个问题“种族歧视是什么？”她的回答是，“当某人用坏名字称呼一个深色皮肤的人。”她很年幼，却已经懂一些了。如果我们表现得好像我们的学生不能够胜任这样的对话，那我们其实是在帮倒忙。
06:46
Now, I also know that these types ofconversations can seem really, really intimidating with our students,especially with young learners. But I have taught first through fifth grades,and I can tell you, for example, that I'm not going to walk into a first-gradeclassroom and start talking about things like mass incarceration. But even asix-year-old first-grader can understand the difference between what is fair --people getting what they need. We identified a lot of these things in classtogether. And the difference between fair and equal -- when everybody gets thesame thing, especially goody bags at birthday parties. Now, first-graders canalso understand the difference between a punishment and a consequence. And allof these things are foundational concepts that anyone needs to understandbefore having a conversation about mass incarceration in the United States.
我知道这一类的话题对于我们的学生来说可能挺吓人的，特别是年幼的学生。但是，从一年级到五年级的学生我都教过了，我可以告诉你们，我不会走进一个一年级班，一上来就讨论大规模监禁的话题。但一个六岁的一年级学生已经可以听懂公平和平等的区别了，什么是公平：人们各取所需这些都是我们会在班上一起讨论的。以及什么是平等：人们获得一样的东西特别是生日派对上的礼包。同样的，一年级学生也可以听懂惩罚和后果的区别。这些都是最基础的概念是所有人都需要理解的，是展开有关大规模监禁话题讨论的基础。
07:43
Some people might think thatkindergarteners or first-graders are too young to have conversations aroundracism, but also tell you that young kids understand that there are manydifferent components that make up our identities and how people are similar anddifferent, and what it means to have power when other people don't. When wehave these conversations with students at a young age, it actually takes awaysome of that taboo feeling when those topics come up at a later age.
有人可能会觉得幼儿园和一年级学生还太年轻，不能跟他们聊有关种族的话题，那我也可以告诉你们，这些孩子知道有很多不同的因素构建了他们的身份，他们也知道人们都有相似和不同之处，他们也知道有些人有权势，有些人没有。如果我们从小就让孩子参与到这些话题中，就可以带走这些话题的禁忌感他们长大后遇到这些话题时不会觉得难以启齿。
08:10
I also know that teaching about thesethings in schools can feel like navigating a minefield. For example, whathappens if parents or families aren't on board with having these conversationsin schools? But to these people, I can say: these are some examples of thingsthat students have said to me and brought to my attention. For example, I had astudent come in and whisper to me, "I've heard all these people use theterm LGBTQ, but I don't know what it means and I'm too embarrassed to admitit." I had a student come in over a weekend and come up to me and say,"You know, I just watched this movie about Australia, and it made mewonder if they have racism there, too." And I always want my students tobe comfortable having these conversations because when they're comfortable talkingabout it and asking questions, they also build comfort in bringing in their ownlives and experiences in how they relate to these big topics.
我也知道在学校教这些东西，好像是在跨越雷区。如果家长或抚养人不认可在学校里开展这些话题呢？面对这些人，我会说，我会举一些例子，是学生们告诉我的事。比如，有个学生走过来悄悄地对我说，“我听到很多人说到LGBTQ这个词，我不知道那是什么意思，但我不好意思说我不知道。“有个学生周末来告诉我，“你知道吗，我刚看了一个有关澳大利亚的电影，我在想他们那儿是不是也有种族歧视。“我一直都很希望我的学生们可以自然地参与到这些话题中，因为当他们可以自然地讨论这些话题时，他们才有可能把自己的生活经历带入其中，与这些更大的话题产生联系。
09:06
Also, some teachers might be kind ofnervous if a student brings up a topic or asks a question and they don't knowthe answer to it. But if a student ever brings something to my attention and Idon't know the answer, I will always admit it and own it because I'm not goingto pretend to be an expert in something that I don't have experience in or I'mnot an authority on. That same year, I had a student come in and ask a questionabout the LGBTQ community. And I just didn't know enough to give them anappropriate answer. So instead, I encouraged that student to reach out and ask thatquestion to a representative of a nonprofit who had come to speak to our classabout that very same issue. When we admit to our students that we don't haveall the answers, not only does it humanize us to them, it also shows them thatadults have a long way to go, too, when it comes to learning about issues ofequity.
有些老师可能会感到紧张，若学生提出一个问题，可是老师不知道怎么回答，怎么办？每当学生问我一件事，我不知道答案的时候，我总是承认说，我不知道。当我缺少某方面的经历，或者不是权威的时候我不会假装我是专家。同一年，有个学生来问我一个有关LGBTQ社群的问题，我确实了解得不够多，所以不能很好地回答。所以，我鼓励那个学生去问另一个人，那个人是一个非营利组织的代表之前来过班上聊过这个话题。当我们向学生承认自己没有所有问题的答案时，不仅拉近了我们和他们的距离，更是向他们展示了， 关于公平公正的话题，成年人也有很长的路要走。
09:57
Now, a little while back, I wrote a lessonabout consent. And, to some people, this was very exciting because I took thistopic that seemed very taboo and scary and I broke it down into a way that wasaccessible for young learners. However, to other people, the idea of consent isso strongly tied to sex, and sex is often considered a taboo subject, that itmade them very uncomfortable. But my students are third-graders, so we're nottalking about sex in class. Rather, I wanted them to understand that everybodyhas different physical boundaries that make them feel comfortable. And thesocial and emotional intelligence it takes to read somebody's words and toneand body language are skills that often need to be explicitly taught, the sameway we teach things like reading and math. And this lesson is not reserved forstudents of one single demographic. Things like questioning and makingobservations and critical thinking are things that any student of any race orethnicity or background or language or income or zip code should be learning inschools.
不久前我写了一节课的教学方案，是有关“征得同意”的对一些人来说，这是令人激动的因为这个看起来很禁忌，很吓人的话题，我用年轻的学生可以理解的方式呈现了出来但是另一些人，他们觉得“征得同意”和“性行为”的关联太紧密了而性行为通常被认为是一个禁忌话题，所以他们觉得很不舒服。但我的学生们才三年级，我们不是要在课上讨论性行为。我需要他们理解的是，每一个人都有不同的肢体上的界限在这个界限以内，他们会感到舒适的。通过察言观色来理解某个人的肢体语言，这样的社交和感知能力是需要被明确教导的，和教导阅读和数学一样。这样的课程不仅仅是某一类的学生才需要的，有关提问、观察、和辩证思考的课程是任何一个学生，无论种族、背景、语言、收入、地理位置 需要在学校里学习的。
11:00
Also, deliberate avoidance of theseconversations speaks volumes to our students because kids notice when theirteachers, when their textbooks leave out the voices and experiences of peoplelike women or people of color. Silence speaks volumes.
还有，如果刻意逃避这些话题，对于学生来说，是体现出一些问题的。因为当老师和教科书遗漏了女性和有色人群的声音和经历，孩子们是会注意到的，问题是不言而喻的。
11:19
I recently asked my class of third-graderswhat they would say to adults who think they're too young to learn about issuesof equity. And while this is a small sample of my 25 students, all of themagreed that not only are they capable of having these conversations, but theyview it, the right to learn it, as a right and not as a privilege. And, intheir words: "We're big enough to know about these things because theseproblems are happening where we live. And we have the right to talk about thembecause it will be our life in the future."
我最近问了我的三年级班问他们想对轻视他们的成年人说些什么这些成年人觉得他们还太年轻，学不了有关公平公正的话题。这是很小的一个样本，25个学生，但他们一致同意，他们不仅能够开展相关的对话，在他们看来，他们有权利学习这些话题，权利，而不是特权。用他们的原话说，“我们的年纪够大了，可以理解这些事情了，因为这些问题就发生在我们身边，我们有权利谈论，因为这将是我们的未来。”
11:55
Thank you.
谢谢。
11:56
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